newLISP on Rockets

[hilti]

Hi!



Does anyone know who's behind "Dragonfly reloaded" ;)

http://newlisponrockets.com/">//http://newlisponrockets.com/



bye

Marc

[cormullion]

No idea. They haven't announced anything here, unless I've missed it ... The only other person who might be writing a web framework (apart from Kanen of course) was Jeremy, who used to http://newlispfanclub.alh.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3800">post here. In fact, given the rocket theme, I would be surprised if it wasn't him...

[newdep]

Nice initiative (nslookup newlisponrails.com) Sounds better then Ruby on Rails for sure ...  ;-)

Ill keep an eye on it...

[Kazimir Majorinc]

http://www.whois.com/whois/newlisponrockets.com">http://www.whois.com/whois/newlisponrockets.com

[Darth.Severus]

Oh, I just started to learn how dragonfly works, as a complete beginner in webdesign. I started this wiki //dragonfly-newlisp.wikidot.com, and planned to announce it soon. This newLisp on Rockets project seems to be interesting to me, cause there may be more interessting discussions about how all that stuff works.

[TedWalther]

I really love it; I was wondering when newLISP would get something more analogous to Ruby on Rails.  I hope Jeremy goes more down the path of Django, while incorporating good ideas from Rails and Drupal.  Which is how I see newLISP; it goes down the path of C/Unix, while incorporating good bits from all the other languages, like Rexx, Modula, Scheme, etc.

[hilti]

@Darth Severus

Oh, I just started to learn how dragonfly works, as a complete beginner in webdesign.

Isn't http://www.rundragonfly.com">//http://www.rundragonfly.com a good starting point to learn Dragonfly? Greg and I wrote a lot documentation to get used to the simple development cycle when using Dragonfly.



What's missing?



Cheers

Marc

[jopython]

Is dragonfly maintained anymore? Looks like it has not been updated since 2010!

[Darth.Severus]

Isn't http://www.rundragonfly.com">//http://www.rundragonfly.com a good starting point to learn Dragonfly? Greg and I wrote a lot documentation to get used to the simple development cycle when using Dragonfly.

What's missing?

Sorry for my late answer, I was distracted by other problems.

I'm realy happy and thankfull that rundragonfly.com exists, but when I was reading there I thought it was written by someone who has to much experience in doing webdesign und programming, and is blind for beginner problems. I even had no clue how to start creating something, I was just overwhelmed by all that stuff I should know or understand without explanation, and didn't know what I had to learn first, and so on. I even thought I could do everything in nL without knowing something about HTML and JS. Newlisp is also my first programming language I'm realy learning (ignoring some C64-Basic). I'm a bit experienced in it, but I also was not doing much web stuff with it before I tried to understand Dragonfly. This is why I started this wiki @//dragonfly-newlisp.wikidot.com/, my writings there are the best explanation.

I've read the introducion in HTML5 on w3schools.com since then, a bit about CSS and JS, and will go on with that. Right now I'm writing nL-scripts which are creating several HTML sites using content from other sources. Go on learning dragonfly or/and Newlisp on Rockets will be the next step then.

[itistoday]

I just came across this today. I'm very confused. I can't figure out who the author is, or why they decided to create this project from scratch instead of forking our work and modifying it, considering how much work we did and how small this community is.



Plus, just skimming through their docs, they're clearly missing a lot of the functionality that Dragonfly has. If they wanted to come up with a completely different framework, why not at least build off of the https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-db">dragonfly-db code I wrote? No offense to the author, but dragonfly-db has far better support for manipulating databases (like ORM using https://github.com/taoeffect/objective-newlisp">ObjNL), and already includes a wrapper for sqlite. They could have used their efforts to add additional database support to dragonfly-db, by adding a postgresql or mysql wrapper for example.



It's true that Dragonfly hasn't been updated in quite a while, but it's a really mature web framework and very powerful. I use it to this day to power my web stores and integration with PayPal, and it has served me faithfully.



I think whoever is responsible for newLISP on Rockets is very talented, and did a great job on the design of the site. I just feel it's a shame they decided not to build off of our code. :(



(Note: I've been neglecting visiting these forums, so if I don't respond to replies, please accept my apologies in advance. You can always tweet at me to get my attention: https://twitter.com/taoeffect">@taoeffect).

[cormullion]

I wanted a framework that simplified database work and jQuery access, something that Dragonfly didn't do, and wasn't likely to do as development seems to have stopped.

I think Jeremy must have assumed that Dragonfly had been abandoned and took it off in a new direction.

[itistoday]

I wanted a framework that simplified database work and jQuery access, something that Dragonfly didn't do, and wasn't likely to do as development seems to have stopped.

I think Jeremy must have assumed that Dragonfly had been abandoned and took it off in a new direction.

Does Jeremy have a user account on this forum?



To say he "took it off in a new direction" would mean that he used some of the code it had. As far as I can tell (from a *very* brief look), he started a new framework from scratch.



I also am not sure what wasn't simple about DF.DB, and I don't see what jQuery has to do with a backend web framework...

[rickyboy]

Greg, it looks like http://newlisponrockets.com/rockets-why.lsp">Jeremy just wanted to hack on his own thing.  Nothin' wrong with that.

[cormullion]

Jeremy used to be here - but now of course he has his own forum! :)



He acknowledges the influence of Dragonfly in the source code, and there are some snippets of Rockets code that I remember seeing before in Dragonfly. Perhaps it was the overall approach of Dragonfly that inspired and enabled the development of Rockets rather than the existing codebase, who knows? (I see that he reported an issue to you too! https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-newlisp/issues">//https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-newlisp/issues :)

[itistoday]

I don't understand the reasons he gave for starting his own framework from scratch, but w/e.



I just updated Dragonfly to 0.71 btw.



http://www.newlispfanclub.alh.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4360">http://www.newlispfanclub.alh.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4360