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#31
newLISP in the real world / SSL + SMTP
May 26, 2014, 11:25:21 AM
So... does the smtpx.lsp module work over SSL? I'm guessing that it doesn't... is that right?
#32
Whither newLISP? / Re: RFC: A reference counted newLISP (and how to implement i
March 24, 2014, 10:39:15 AM
Might not be possible. See here for an attempt at this that uses a 5 node doubly-linked list:



https://gist.github.com/taoeffect/6847427">https://gist.github.com/taoeffect/6847427
#33
Anything else we might add? / Someone translated my blogpost on newLISP into Chinese
October 08, 2013, 06:30:34 PM
Original: https://www.taoeffect.com/blog/2010/01/how-newlisp-took-my-breath-and-syntax-away/">https://www.taoeffect.com/blog/2010/01/ ... ntax-away/">https://www.taoeffect.com/blog/2010/01/how-newlisp-took-my-breath-and-syntax-away/



Translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.skydark.info%2Fprogramming%2F2012%2F06%2F28%2Fnewlisp%2F">http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... newlisp%2F">http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.skydark.info%2Fprogramming%2F2012%2F06%2F28%2Fnewlisp%2F



Funny: "newLISP is a true diamond in the rough" -> Chinese -> English -> "newLISP is a genuine natural diamonds" ^_^
#34
Whither newLISP? / Re: How to get newLISP popular?
June 25, 2013, 12:52:07 PM
I tried to use newLISP once from a C program, and it didn't go too well. newLISP is great in going from newLISP -> C, but not in the opposite direction, so until it has support for that, which is at least as good as Lua's, it won't be popular for using as a scripting language for games, or other places where Lua is used.
#35
newLISP in the real world / Re: newLISP on Rockets
June 24, 2013, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: "conan"Even the simplest code, no matter how mature, needs some maintenance now and then. Wouldn't need even more maintenance something that attempts to work in a field that never stays still, that's constantly changing, like the web?



You complain that the author of Newlisp on Rockets didn't fork your work. However he states that he learned and used a lot from Dragonfly, so he did base on your work, he just didn't use the fork path. Maybe because he's learning, maybe because he preferred to pick stuff by hand. Who knows!


I generally agree with you, although I feel the word "complaining" is a bit harsh (personally). It's alright if you see it that way, but I see it as simply being dismayed at what you point out yourself, that Dragonfly needs maintenance, and it would have been nice if he helped us improve and maintain it.


QuoteAnyway, I didn't mean to be harsh at you before, and I don't now. I was just trying to point that a software that claims maturity should work out of the box. Because if after following instructions you have to hunt a bug, or try this and that to make it work, then software isn't mature, isn't ready for production.


Yes, I agree, please feel free to file an issue in Github. This the first time I've seen this issue though, so I hope you don't ding us too hard. Lots of other people have tried Dragonfly and it seems to have worked fine for them.
#36
newLISP in the real world / Re: newLISP on Rockets
June 23, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
I assume that you didn't visit the page after hitting ^C... Did you try Cmd/Ctrl-Shift-R (or a different browser)?



Also, try following these instructions to get it running under Apache instead:



http://rundragonfly.com/dragonfly_welcome">http://rundragonfly.com/dragonfly_welcome
#37
newLISP in the real world / Re: newLISP on Rockets
June 22, 2013, 06:31:59 PM
Quote from: "conan"Well it surely looks like your framework is unmaintained. Now you post there's a new version, so I wanted to give it a try, followed README indications and this is what I got for the example:
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ERR: invalid function : (load-files-in-dir (string DRAGONFLY_ROOT "/lib") ".lsp$")

I don't want to diminish your work, but it surely needs a face washing.



You must agree with me that a software that claims to be stable and shows an error just by following stated instructions is kind of disappointing.


Hmm... I'm not seeing that. I just did the whole thing from scratch, here's the proof:


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Last login: Sat Jun 22 15:18:46 on ttys004
taoeffect:~ gslepak$ git clone git@github.com:taoeffect/dragonfly-newlisp.git
Cloning into 'dragonfly-newlisp'...
remote: Counting objects: 2293, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (1391/1391), done.
remote: Total 2293 (delta 874), reused 2273 (delta 860)
Receiving objects: 100% (2293/2293), 2.55 MiB | 2.05 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (874/874), done.
taoeffect:~ gslepak$ cd dragonfly-newlisp/
taoeffect:dragonfly-newlisp gslepak$ git submodule init
Submodule 'example-site/dragonfly-framework/plugins-inactive/db' (git://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-db.git) registered for path 'example-site/dragonfly-framework/plugins-inactive/db'
taoeffect:dragonfly-newlisp gslepak$ git submodule update
Cloning into 'example-site/dragonfly-framework/plugins-inactive/db'...
remote: Counting objects: 6, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (6/6), done.
remote: Total 6 (delta 0), reused 6 (delta 0)
Receiving objects: 100% (6/6), 15.33 KiB, done.
Submodule path 'example-site/dragonfly-framework/plugins-inactive/db': checked out 'f9e56a033a7da860427340a7b1cbf0eb3e5bb749'
taoeffect:dragonfly-newlisp gslepak$ cd example-site/
taoeffect:example-site gslepak$ ./newlispServer
If all goes well visit http://localhost:8080 in your browser

The site loaded fine. Did you do the same thing I did there?
#38
newLISP in the real world / Re: newLISP on Rockets
June 22, 2013, 12:41:01 PM
I don't understand the reasons he gave for starting his own framework from scratch, but w/e.



I just updated Dragonfly to 0.71 btw.



http://www.newlispfanclub.alh.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4360">http://www.newlispfanclub.alh.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4360
#39
Dragonfly / Dragonfly 0.71
June 22, 2013, 12:39:43 PM
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made utf8-urlencode behave more like php. no longer escaping dashes

https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-newlisp/commit/2891dfd7843237feeb775f512d0e68baebb2f2d2">https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly- ... baebb2f2d2">https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-newlisp/commit/2891dfd7843237feeb775f512d0e68baebb2f2d2
#40
newLISP in the real world / Re: newLISP on Rockets
June 21, 2013, 04:49:03 PM
Quote from: "cormullion"
QuoteI wanted a framework that simplified database work and jQuery access, something that Dragonfly didn't do, and wasn't likely to do as development seems to have stopped.


I think Jeremy must have assumed that Dragonfly had been abandoned and took it off in a new direction.


Does Jeremy have a user account on this forum?



To say he "took it off in a new direction" would mean that he used some of the code it had. As far as I can tell (from a *very* brief look), he started a new framework from scratch.



I also am not sure what wasn't simple about DF.DB, and I don't see what jQuery has to do with a backend web framework...
#41
newLISP in the real world / Re: newLISP on Rockets
June 21, 2013, 02:28:03 PM
I just came across this today. I'm very confused. I can't figure out who the author is, or why they decided to create this project from scratch instead of forking our work and modifying it, considering how much work we did and how small this community is.



Plus, just skimming through their docs, they're clearly missing a lot of the functionality that Dragonfly has. If they wanted to come up with a completely different framework, why not at least build off of the https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-db">dragonfly-db code I wrote? No offense to the author, but dragonfly-db has far better support for manipulating databases (like ORM using https://github.com/taoeffect/objective-newlisp">ObjNL), and already includes a wrapper for sqlite. They could have used their efforts to add additional database support to dragonfly-db, by adding a postgresql or mysql wrapper for example.



It's true that Dragonfly hasn't been updated in quite a while, but it's a really mature web framework and very powerful. I use it to this day to power my web stores and integration with PayPal, and it has served me faithfully.



I think whoever is responsible for newLISP on Rockets is very talented, and did a great job on the design of the site. I just feel it's a shame they decided not to build off of our code. :(



(Note: I've been neglecting visiting these forums, so if I don't respond to replies, please accept my apologies in advance. You can always tweet at me to get my attention: https://twitter.com/taoeffect">@taoeffect).
#42
Dragonfly / Re: Help on first time Dragonfly install
June 28, 2012, 01:04:03 PM
I think I fixed this issue via a different route:


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(unless (null? QUERY_STRING)

This should work then if QUERY_STRING is nil, where 'empty?' on 'nil' will cause an error. I updated my repo:



https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-newlisp">https://github.com/taoeffect/dragonfly-newlisp
#43
Whither newLISP? / Re: Are contexts heavyweight?
May 10, 2011, 05:06:36 PM
See link in sig for anon contexts.
#44
newLISP and the O.S. / Re: IMAP checker via SSL
May 10, 2011, 05:01:51 PM
Cool beans newdep, thanks for sharing! This might come in handy at some point...
#45
newLISP in the real world / Re: replacing a period in a string using replace
February 18, 2011, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: "two-"Can you have println print without the trailing newline?


http://www.newlisp.org/downloads/newlisp_manual.html#print">Newlisp's manual is full of useful information.
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