newLISP in a browser

[HPW]

Hello fdb,



Good to hear that get it working with latest newlisp version.

Could you upload the resulting js somewhere so others can also test with it. (Until Lutz offer a new one)



(I hope Lutz is thinking about the WebAssembly option)



Regards



Hans-Peter

[fdb]

Hi Hans-Peter,



Made the js  (and .mem file)  available to download from here: http://www.ferrydb.nl/newlisp/download">www.ferrydb.nl/newlisp/download



BR

Ferry

[Lutz]

Thanks for doing this work Ferry:



http://www.ferrydb.nl/newlisp/">http://www.ferrydb.nl/newlisp/



I also updated the 'info' file to newlisp-js-10.7.3.zip reference here:



http://www.newlisp.org/newlisp-js/">http://www.newlisp.org/newlisp-js/



The zip file contains the whole newlisp-js directory including the codemirror editor files.



The -s MAX_SETJMPS=100 setting in the makefile was done originally to save memory on mobile devices. This doesn't seem to be an issue anymore. Your compile runs fine on my iPhone 6s.

[HPW]

Hello Ferry and Lutz,



Thanks for providing the new release.

Works fine on all my firefox/chrome versions and IE11.

On Edge I will test later.



Lutz any new thoughts about the WebAssembly option?



Edit: Latest edge also works fine.



Regards

[Lutz]

When I have more time, may be. There is very little interest in the browser version at all. Perhaps somebody else wants to do it: http://webassembly.org/docs/faq/">http://webassembly.org/docs/faq/

[fdb]

Ok, i've managed to compile it to web assembly. - 'Just a switch...'  ;-)



I eventually found out where to put the switch in the build file and it works in Firefox and Chrome (not in Safari), haven't tested Explorer/Edge.



You can download newlisp-js-lib.js.wa and newlisp-js-lib.js.wasm from //ferrydb/newlisp/download, Lutz i've also added the make file i used. (makefile_emscripten_lib_utf8)



You have to rename newlisp-js-lib.js.wa to newlisp-js-lib.js and put in together with new lisp-js-lib.wasm in the document directory of your web server.



I've also done some performance tests with a small Scrabble program i wrote and it is really remarkable how fast JS/WA is compared to  native Newlisp (on iMac,  3.2Ghz Intel Core I3, 12 GB Ram). See below some results how long it takes to find the best solution in my little (naive/unoptimised/educational!) Scrabble program , (choosing from 35,000 words, having 5 letter and 2 jokers, 3 words already on the board).  



All examples run on  iMac OSX 10.12.5 (Sierra),  3.2Ghz Intel Core I3, 12 GB Ram (in minutes CPU time)



Native

5.5



Javascript

Firefox : 5

Chrome: 8

Safari Nightly: 8

Safari: 10



WebAssembly

Firefox: 4.5

Chrome:5.5

[Lutz]

Great! will try it later.



You can check performance evaluating this:



(load "newlisp-js/qa-bench")



The file is loaded from the internal directory.

Code Select Expand


>>>>> total time: 821
>>>>> Performance ratio: 1.54 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)


Its 1.54 times slower in JavaScript on Firefox than natively. Currently running on a 2016 Macbook / macOS Sierra with very similar results. Chrome and Safari are much slower. It checks all non IO functions.

[fdb]

You can try it at //ferrydb.nl/newlisp-wa/ results below, so only marginally faster(as you suspected).

Code Select Expand


>>>>> total time: 807
>>>>> Performance ratio: 1.52 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)


[fdb]

Results on my 2017 macbook pro (I7 ,2.7 ghz)



Firefox JS

>>>>> total time: 535

>>>>> Performance ratio: 1.08 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Chrome JS

>>>>> total time: 1397

>>>>> Performance ratio: 2.48 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Firefox Web Assembly

>>>>> total time: 511

>>>>> Performance ratio: 1.04 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Chrome Web Assembly

>>>>> total time: 594

>>>>> Performance ratio: 1.17 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)

[HPW]

Hello,



Thanks Ferry for providing the WebAssembly Option.



From my Win7 tablet (The middle of 3 measurements)



http://ferrydb.nl/newlisp/">http://ferrydb.nl/newlisp/



http://ferrydb.nl/newlisp-wa/">http://ferrydb.nl/newlisp-wa/



Asus Eee Slate

i5 U470 1.33 Ghz 4 Gb

Windows performance Index 3.1





(module "qa-bench")



IE 11.0.9600 JS



>>>>> total time: 41174

>>>>> Performance ratio:67.17 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



IE 11.0.9600 WA



Not compatibel





Chrome 59.0.3071.109 JS



>>>>> total time: 13724

>>>>> Performance ratio:22.52 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Chrome 59.0.3071.109 WA



>>>>> total time: 4920

>>>>> Performance ratio: 8.21 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)





Firefox 54.0 32bit JS



>>>>> total time: 6168

>>>>> Performance ratio:10.24 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Firefox 54.0 32bit WA



>>>>> total time: 5862

>>>>> Performance ratio: 9.74 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Regards

[HPW]

Hello,



Another test on an aged WIN 1o Laptop



Core 2 duo P8400 2.26 Ghz 4GB

Windows 10 Pro 1703 32bit



Edga 40 JS



>>>>> total time: 3759

>>>>> Performance ratio: 6.32 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Edge 40 WA with enabled experimental javascript



ERR: regular expression in function find-all : "error -4 when executing"

called from user function QA:(qa)

called from user function (module "qa-bench")



So we see that WebAssembly is not yet everywhere. Best performance boost on chrome.



Regards

[HPW]

Hello,



Another note for WIN XP:



Neither Chrome 49 or Firefox ESR 52.2.0 work with WebAssembly.

But the JS-flavour works.



Regards

[HPW]

Hello,



CAD-Workstation:

Dell Precision T3610

CPU E5-1620 v2 3.7 GHZ 16GB

Windows performance index 7.7

WIndows 7 PRO SP1



http://www.ferrydb.nl/newlisp/">http://www.ferrydb.nl/newlisp/

http://www.ferrydb.nl/newlisp-wa/">http://www.ferrydb.nl/newlisp-wa/



(module "qa-bench")





Chrome 59 JS



>>>>> total time: 1832

>>>>> Performance ratio: 3.18 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Chrome 59 WA



>>>>> total time: 796

>>>>> Performance ratio: 1.50 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)





Firefox 54 JS



>>>>> total time: 1032

>>>>> Performance ratio: 1.88 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Firefox 54 WA



>>>>> total time: 990

>>>>> Performance ratio: 1.81 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Regards

[fdb]

Hi,



i've now als run some test on my iPad Pro, running beta of IOS 11 and also Safari 11 which should be able to run web assembly, results below:



With javascript:

>>>> total time: 3139

>>>>> Performance ratio: 5.31 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



With web-assembly:

>>>>> total time: 1633

>>>>> Performance ratio: 2.86 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



So almost twice as fast with web assembly.

[HPW]

Hello,



Latest emscripten: Emscripten 1.37.27 (December 29, 2017)



Firefox Quantum 57.0.3 64 bit with new impressive Performance on my tablet

Asus Eee Slate

i5 U470 1.33 Ghz 4 Gb

Windows performance Index 3.1

Tested on Ferry's pages with 1.37.14



With javascript:

http://ferrydb.nl/newlisp/">http://ferrydb.nl/newlisp/



>>>>> total time: 1891

>>>>> Performance ratio: 3.28 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



With web-assembly:

http://ferrydb.nl/newlisp-wa/">http://ferrydb.nl/newlisp-wa/



>>>>> total time: 1539

>>>>> Performance ratio: 2.71 (1.0 on MacOSX 10.9, 2.3GHz Intel Core i5, newLISP v10.6.0-64-bit)



Much faster than the last test with Firefox 54 on that Hardware.



Regards